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The destruction of Gilchrist, Texas
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:55 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 17, 2008 +5
We're in day three of my promised 7-10 day lull in Atlantic hurricane activity. That prediction is still looking good. There are no threat areas to discuss today, and the earliest any model foresees a tropical storm developing is Sunday, when the NOGAPS indicates something developing in the western Caribbean. The GFS model predicts this development will occur on the other side of Central America, in the Eastern Pacific. The GFS also predicts development of a tropical depression by Tuesday off the coast of Africa.

The destruction of Gilchrist
Many of you have probably seen the photo of Gilchrist, Texas showing complete destruction of the town of 750 people, save for one lone home. High-resolution satellite imagery made available by NOAA's National Geodetic Survey (Figure 1) confirm that of the approximately 1000 structures existing in the town before Hurricane Ike, only about five survived the hurricane. Approximately 200 of these buildings were homes, and it is thought that some of the residents attempted to ride out the storm in their homes. According to media reports, about 34 survivors from Gilchrist and the neighboring communities of Crystal Beach and Port Bolivar have been fished out of Galveston Bay in the past few days. Rescuers who have reached Gilchrist have not been able to find any victims in the debris because there is no debris. Ike's storm surge knocked 99.5% of the 1,000 buildings in Gilchrist off their foundations and either demolished them or washed them miles inland into the swamplands behind Gilchrist. Until search teams can locate the debris of what was once was Gilchrist, we will not know the fate of those who may have stayed behind to ride out the storm.



Figure 1. The town of Gilchrist, Texas before and after Hurricane Ike. Image credit (top): Googlemaps.com, DigitalGlobe, GeoEye, Houston-Galveston Area Council. Bottom: National Geodetic Survey.

Why did Gilchrist get destroyed?
It's rare to see a town so completely destroyed by a hurricane, to the point where you can't even see the wreckage. The neighboring towns of Crystal Beach, to the south, and High Island, to the north, were also mostly destroyed, but weren't swept clean of nearly all structures and wreckage. This is because Gilchrist was built in an unusually vulnerable place. It's bad enough to situate your town on a low-lying peninsula, as was the case for Crystal Beach. But in Gilchrist's case, the town was located at the narrowest point of the Bolivar Peninsula, at a point where it was only a few hundred meters wide (Figure 2). Not only did Gilchrist suffer a head-on assault by Ike's direct storm surge of 14+ feet, topped by 20' high battering waves, the town also suffered a reverse surge once the hurricane had passed. As Ike moved to the north, the counter-clockwise flow of wind around the storm pushed Galveston Bay's waters back across the town of Gilchrist from northwest to southeast. This second surge of water likely finished off anything the main storm surge had left.

Will Gilchrist be rebuilt?
I hope the government will see fit to buy up the land that was once the town of Gilchrist and make it into a park. Building a town in Gilchrist's location makes as much sense as building a town on the sides of an active volcano. (Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who have done just that, such as on the slopes of Mt. Vesuvius in Italy). If past history is any guide, Gilchrist will be rebuilt, and it will take another mighty hurricane to permanently take down the town. That was the case for the town of Indianola, Texas, which lay in a vulnerable low-lying location on the shores of Matagorda Bay in the mid-1800's. Indianola was the second largest port in the state of Texas, and home to 5,000 people. In 1875, a powerful Category 3 hurricane piled up a huge storm surge as it came ashore in Indianola. The surge destroyed 3/4 of the town's 2,000 buildings, and killed 176 people. The city was rebuilt, but in 1886, a devastating Category 4 hurricane swept almost the entire town of Indianola into Matagorda Bay, killing another 250 townspeople. The people of Indianola finally gave up and moved elsewhere, and the ruins of their town now lie under four feet of water in Matagorda Bay.


Figure 2. The Bolivar Peninsula, Texas before Hurricane Ike. The "A" pink balloon marker shows the location of Crystal Beach. Gilchrist is to the northeast of Crystal Beach, at a point where the peninsula narrows down to just a few hundred meters wide. Image credit: Googlemaps.com, TerraMetrica, LeadDog Consulting, Tele Atlas.

Links to follow
High-resolution photos of the Bolivar Peninsula are available using Microsoft's HD View Beta.

How you can help
For those of you who want to help those in need, I'm proud to say that a group of wunderground members are spearheading their own Hurricane Ike relief effort, aimed at providing assistance and supplies to people that are not in the mainstream relief areas. They've already raised $5000, and the first relief truck with supplies is on the way to Texas. Deductions are tax-deductible, and can be made in several ways:

Patrap's wunderblog
www.stormjunkie.com
www.portlight.org

Everything they are doing is at the specific request of people on the scene. At the request of the Director of Disability Affairs for the Mayor of Houston, they are sending 50 wheelchairs, 500 walkers, 200 pairs of crutches, and several pallets of first aid supplies. They are also sending a 16-foot truck from Charleston loaded with drinks, personal hygiene products, and non perishable food items. A truck is heading out of New Orleans with similar supplies. Every Catholic school in South Carolina is collecting supplies with the goal of filling two more trucks.

Of course, contributing to the Red Cross or your local church is another great way to help out. Thanks!

Jeff Masters
San Leon,Texas Devastated by Hurricane Ike pt.3 (txcuda)
Images taken in San Leon,Texas along Bayshore Dr.and Ave A 1/2 Tuesday afternoon. The devastation caused by Hurricane Ike is something that will take this community years to recover from. Relief crews from both the National Guard as well as the Red Cross were seen this afternoon. Quite a few residents will find that they no longer have a home when they return. Those that rode the storm out along the bayshore are fortunate to be still with us as there have been quite a few fatalities in just this small community.Electricity is weeks if not months off...and water service will be a week or more before it can be restored. Crews were out this afternoon shutting off service to meters that had no home any longer. The mosquitos are out in clouds but at least
San Leon,Texas Devastated by Hurricane Ike pt.3
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601. flaboyinga 03:52 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting CaptnDan142:


As I recall, I actually said nothing to anyone that would start this. One person made a false accusation, and another picked it up and ran with it. I would merely like to clear the air, and at the same time help out a very worthy charity.

So don't call it a bet. Call it a challenge. You two made the statements - now back them up.

And by the way, the sun set here probably 18-20 minutes before it did there.


Mostly what I was trying to do was stick a pin in and see if it would die down. And I don't think I made a statement about anyone except the person from last year. When I noticed just now that I didn't have my location on my blog profile, I put it on there cause someone could make the same assumption about me. Hopefully it won't come to that. By the way, I probably wouldn't have paid any attention but it was implied that someone was going after StormW, and after last summer, I'm sensitive about that. Have a good night.
602. hunkerdown 03:52 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
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603. AllyBama 03:52 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
maybe the houses left standing were built by this guy..some of his homes were built on the Bolivar Peninsula...he may have been the person interviewed by TWC either Thursday or Friday. I am going to try and find the video..

Link
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604. pvbeachbum 03:53 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting pottery:
Pvbeachbum. Is that not the house, with a darker roof, different gable ends ? Your post previously suggests from the owner, that substantial renovation was done. If you look at the street layout, you will find the house had a dark roof before. The land topography is the same. The location is the same ( but the sea is closer of course )


Pottery -

I think the person in the beginning of the article is not talking about the same house - they may be confused. The woman at the bottom of the screen in the comment section who says it is her mother's house does not say anything about remodeling it - only that it took two builders and her mother and her husband to work on it.
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605. RMM34667 03:55 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting presslord:
Ladies and gentlemen...boys and girls...we are at about $7700....gonna do a lot of good with this project...Congratulations and thanks!!!!!!

I'm going to sleep...in fact, I may already be asleep...it's hard to tell....

www.portlight.org

That is AMAZING.. this blog is AMAZING.. When I first came to this blog a few years ago it was because I needed to know what happening with the STORM at the time. Now I know that the long lasting effects of the STORM. And I can feel like I am part of the recovery after the STORM. It has changed my outlook of following a STORM. From BLOB to INVEST to TD, or maybe right to TS. To Hurricane to landfall and to the AFTERMATH.. If you just watch mainstream news you just get HYPE. Here you get the FACTS even if you don't want to hear them. I hope I am never ever in that cone again, but living on the gulf coast of FL that probably won't happen..

But Press, Pat, and all the rest Thanks for caring so much. It makes me want to be a better person.
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606. hunkerdown 03:57 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting will40:
593. hunkerdown

if you are talking about the red roof one you dont see it later cuz the surge got it
No, I am talking about the house that is left in the bottom picture...I do not see it in the before/top picture.
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607. Celia1970 03:58 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting plylox:
... Mandatory evacuations were too late!! Look at Corpus Christi they called mandatory evacuations when IKE was days away. ...


I grew up outside of Corpus Christi and my brother-in-law currently works in CC. I agree that CC did the right thing by closing schools and evacuating early; however, it should be noted that the actual NWS projected path had Ike aimed at CC for several days. I used stormpulse to watch the projected path from Tuesday until landfall. Starting Tuesday, the projected path had Ike aimed directly at CC. Initially, the advisories had Ike almost making landfall at CC before it veered north up the coast. And, it the NWS discussion at that time, it was stated that many models showed Ike making landfall before turning north (and that is a true statement, I was watching the models too). CC waited until Wednesday morning to make the call to evacuate their special needs folks. It was about that time that the models and the NWS advisories started shifting the storm north. Probably the earliest Houston and Galveston could have called for mandatory evacuations, based on the path projected by the NWS, was Wednesday night.

On Wednesday night, I read a post on this blog stating that reverse 911 calls were going out in the Texas City area (I believe) telling them to "Hunker down and take it." I checked the City of Houston Emergency website and found a statement there that Houston would make the evacuation call at 7:30 Thursday morning.

There was a dramatic shift north in the projected landfall from Tuesday to Thursday morning. This had many in East Texas scrambling. Emergency planning sessions were not fully underway until Thursday when the first shelters were open and special needs folks pulled from places like Beaumont.

This short timeframe may be one reason why the only real choice for Houston may have been to shelter in place. If they had waited for Galveston to evacuate and then put their people on the road, it is likely that many would have been caught in traffic again. And, I am damned proud of Houston. They did hunker down and take it.

I cannot and will not speak as to what went on in Galveston because I do not know; however, the time frame was short for many cities and communities which lie north of Matagorda Bay were land fall had been projected.
608. pottery 03:59 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Pvbeach, I just assumed that 2 builders and some other people working, would mean some pretty substantial work was going on.
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609. will40 04:00 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
606. hunkerdown

try zooming on it . But i may be seeing sumffin that isnt there with these tired eyes lol
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610. pvbeachbum 04:02 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting pottery:
Pvbeach, I just assumed that 2 builders and some other people working, would mean some pretty substantial work was going on.


Good point Pottery - it is not really clear from the website or the post from the daughter.

I am curious as to the time difference between the Google Earth before pic and the post-IKE pic - how many years in between?
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611. AllyBama 04:02 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
{{will}}..did you had stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?♥..lol..good to see you back on the blogs..BTW do you ever check your email?
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612. CaptnDan142 04:05 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting flaboyinga:

By the way, I probably wouldn't have paid any attention but it was implied that someone was going after StormW, and after last summer, I'm sensitive about that. Have a good night.


I don't really remember last summer - but I sure do remember more recent events. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Sad to see a wanna-be who is willing to stoop so low as to try to discredit somebody like StormW in some kind of hope of advancing themselves.

To be honest, I really have no idea how I got implicated in that list in the first place. I have my suspicions, but without knowing for sure I'm not going to go making accusations I can't back up.

Have a good evening - Stay Safe.
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613. RMM34667 04:10 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
I guess since it is SO SLOW here, it might be a better time to ask.. got my pic approved.. now how do I make it my pic on the blog?
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614. will40 04:12 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Hiya Ally sorry i had to turn da mutt out lol. And no i hardly ever check it
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615. BajaALemt 04:13 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
610. pvbeachbum

Can be a long time between updates. When I first got google, of course I googled my house. The lot to my left had trees in google. There were houses there when I googled it. That would make the pic 'Pre-Ivan since the townhouses built on that lot were built after Ivan. They updated a few months ago to show the townhouses. Give you an idea of how out of date google earth can be
616. JRRP 04:14 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
look near PR
Link
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617. RMM34667 04:16 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
I guess this is one of those times when only a few can access/post to the blog. Since HOUSE is gone (which I question that decision) I will cut out.. but if anyone wants to WU mail me with how to make my pic the avator for the blog.. thanks
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618. will40 04:16 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
613. RMM34667

sorry it been so long since i did it i dont even remember now
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619. pottery 04:16 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
CaptnDan, maybe I need to back-peddle here, and also apologies to you.
I may have included you in a list there in error. Remind me though, was it you who had exposed Amanda by seeking her avatar and bringing her/him down ?
Or am I grossly mistaken. If so, more apologies.

If not, I found that was really strange........
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621. houston144 04:17 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
I am getting tiered of geraldeo from FOX NEWS acting all macho so...me and my bud down in NJ sent him a little email at the same time.

to: Atlarge@foxnews.com

Hey G.

I am in Rochester NY, and my buddy is in New Jersey, both of us are wondering one thing, does CNN helicopter pilots "have-a-set" to fly into the "no-fly-zone" and video tape what the real new may be, what is it, this "mayor" doesn't want us to see....maybe 1500 body's in trees that is said to have been seen?

hey take two helicopters out, record each other, and film as you go...show us what they are hiding, heck the worst thing that could happen is they could try to shot one of them down...which would be news also..

I serious doubt your pilots will do this, maybe they would if you guys would let them have their "sets" back for a while.

thanks anyways

ex-veteran with a set
houston.
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622. flaboyinga 04:18 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Earlier someone asked about steering currents. Here's a link to a useful site. Link N. Atlantic Winds

623. Orcasystems 04:21 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Evening Mrs :)
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624. BajaALemt 04:22 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
shot one of them down...which would be news also..

ROFLMAO!! (Sounds right up Geraldo's alley) :)) :))
625. BajaALemt 04:23 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Evenin Mr :) ....Orca :))
626. flaboyinga 04:24 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting flaboyinga:
Earlier someone asked about steering currents. Here's a link to a useful site. LinkN. Atlantic Winds



Oops !
627. LeopardMoth 04:24 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting RMM34667:
I guess since it is SO SLOW here, it might be a better time to ask.. got my pic approved.. now how do I make it my pic on the blog?


Hi, just got on, saw your question. Had to re-figure it out.

Firstly, when you uploaded it, did you do it under "upload a photo" or "upload a portrait"? If you did it in "upload a photo" (like I did the first time), you'll have to redo it under the portrait one. Under the place where you browse for the picture file, you check the box "Status - Primary Portrait for Bio".

If I'm not mistaken, that's it. Once it's approved, it's your avatar. I don't remember having to do anything else.
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629. Orcasystems 04:25 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting BajaALemt:
Evenin Mr :) ....Orca :))


Still looking for a comeback are you :)
Someone posted one the other day.. you missed it :)
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630. pottery 04:26 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
You there Dan?
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631. BajaALemt 04:26 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
629. Orcasystems

Ohhhh fiiiiiiiiine!! Rub it in!!
632. Orcasystems 04:27 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting btwntx08:
i know 12z cmc is old but it develops 2 tropical systems:
1 in the boc(laura)
2 off africa(develops first)kyle?


The longer range CMC 00Z has three

1 Starting in the Caribbean

1 off the East Coast

1 coming in from the Atlantic
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633. flaboyinga 04:27 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting flaboyinga:
Earlier someone asked about steering currents. Here's a link to a useful site. LinkN. Atlantic Winds



This info updates itself. If you use the toolbar at the top you can see the values for several different altitudes or layers in the atmosphere. Date and times at the bottom.
634. Orcasystems 04:28 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting BajaALemt:
629. Orcasystems

Ohhhh fiiiiiiiiine!! Rub it in!!



Ummmmm ahhhhh oh oh..
Where did I put that Halo polish..
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635. BajaALemt 04:28 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
"Chicken Little" wants to develop EVERYTHING :p
636. Orcasystems 04:30 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting BajaALemt:
"Chicken Little" wants to develop EVERYTHING :p


Its been calling for those three for 3 runs now.. and you have to remember, its been the best early detection model so far this year.
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637. CaptnDan142 04:31 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting pottery:
CaptnDan, maybe I need to back-peddle here, and also apologies to you.
I may have included you in a list there in error. Remind me though, was it you who had exposed Amanda by seeking her avatar and bringing her/him down ?
Or am I grossly mistaken. If so, more apologies.

If not, I found that was really strange........


Nope - I wasn't the one who found that. All I did was the same as I had with a few of the others - I pointed out and questioned some of the inconsistencies in 'her' story and persona. I can't remember who it was that posted the link to the avatar pic.

Kinda funny really - I was chastised via WUMail for 'picking on that sweet kid'. LOL
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638. BajaALemt 04:32 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
I love all-in-one links.... Here's a nice one for shear, convergence, divergence, vorticity, ETC... (With brief explanations about them)

Link
639. RMM34667 04:32 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Sorry for being a ding-bat. Tried to follow all your instructions.. waiting approval again. But FYI.. I LOVE this blog and read don't post much but read as much as I can.

And hey it is so COOL to be so ahead of the news. My co-worker can't figure out why I know what happening before they hear about it on the news!!
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640. flaboyinga 04:32 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Its been calling for those three for 3 runs now.. and you have to remember, its been the best early detection model so far this year.

I guess the break is gonna end soon.
641. RMM34667 04:32 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
SO COOL.. IT worked!
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642. Orcasystems 04:33 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting CaptnDan142:


Nope - I wasn't the one who found that. All I did was the same as I had with a few of the others - I pointed out and questioned some of the inconsistencies in 'her' story and persona. I can't remember who it was that posted the link to the avatar pic.

Kinda funny really - I was chastised via WUMail for 'picking on that sweet kid'. LOL


I don't remember who got the picture part of it.. but I have to give the Mishy credit for being the first to smell a rat.. she was onto it via email to me on the first night.
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643. will40 04:34 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
641. RMM34667

Yup you did good lol
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644. CaptnDan142 04:34 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting pottery:
You there Dan?


Yup. :-)
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645. pottery 04:35 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
OK Dan.
I am Sorry.
Dont go picking on "sweet kids" in future. LOL
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646. Orcasystems 04:36 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting flaboyinga:

I guess the break is gonna end soon.


Its still 5-7 days away.... but at one point.. it has all three active at the same time.

Link
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647. BajaALemt 04:37 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
I dont even think it was a 16 year old boy for the same reasons I was skeptical of the 16 year old girl.

1) What 16 year olds hang out in a blog until 2...3 am?

2) Vocabulary...not very 16 year oldish

Personally, I think this was an adult MALE
648. RMM34667 04:38 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting will40:
641. RMM34667

Yup you did good lol


Its my POGO mini. I hate pictures.. but Love WU and POGO.. thanks everyone for taking the time to respond!
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649. flaboyinga 04:39 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting RMM34667:
SO COOL.. IT worked!


The resemblence is stunning.
Of course I don't really look like a fire station either.lol
650. LeopardMoth 04:39 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
Quoting Orcasystems:


I don't remember who got the picture part of it.. but I have to give the Mishy credit for being the first to smell a rat.. she was onto it via email to me on the first night.


That was one wild and crazy night! About the weirdest situation I've ever seen on this blog.

I missed the chinacohen thing. I came in right after the explosion went off, and, since half the blog posts were missing to bans, I couldn't tell what in tarnation happened.

Whoever did the picture thing should be remembered. If anyone can remember the date, I'll slog through the comments and find it.
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651. will40 04:39 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 18, 2008    
BajaALemt

He said hin nik was txhurricane or sumffin close to that
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