Ida's remnants pounding North and South Carolina; El Salvador flooding toll at 160

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 03:06 PM GMT on Νοέμβριος 11, 2009

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The remnants of Tropical Storm Ida have pushed off the coast of Georgia, and are adding fuel to a developing extratropical storm that is pounding North and South Carolina with heavy rain and high winds. Over two inches of rain has fallen across much of the region, and NOAA's Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (Figure 1) predicts that up to eight inches of rain could fall in coastal North Carolina by Saturday. Adding to the rainwater flooding problems from all this rain will be coastal flooding from tropical storm-force winds of 40 mph expected to build tonight through Thursday along the Outer Banks of North Carolina. High tides up to four feet above normal are expected from the strong winds. North Carolina will end up getting a more severe pounding from Ida's remnants than Ida gave to the Gulf Coast. You can follow the storm with our Severe Weather Page.


Figure 1. Forecast precipitation for the 5-day period ending at 7 am EST Saturday November 14, 2009. Image credit: NOAA/Hydrometeorological Prediction Center

Invest 98L no threat
Another extratropical storm (Invest 98L), currently spinning over the Atlantic a few hundred miles northwest of Puerto Rico, is showing no signs of development, and will be entering a region of very high wind shear of 30 - 40 knots on Thursday. It currently appears that 98L will swing northward and northeast out to sea on Friday and Saturday, and not merge with the extratropical remnants of Ida currently pounding North Carolina.

Gulf Coast cleans up after Ida
Tropical Storm Ida left mostly minor damage across the Gulf Coast, with the heaviest damage being reported on the west end of Alabama's Dauphin Island. Roads there were covered with sand and water, and moderate beach erosion was reported. At Gulf State Park at Orange Beach, Alabama, the new fishing pier--the longest on the Gulf of Mexico--suffered heavy damage, and will be closed indefinitely. The pier was replaced after being destroyed by Hurricane Ivan in 2004, and just opened in July. "We may have significant losses," said Phillip West, Orange Beach coastal resources manager, discussing beach erosion from Ida. "Not catastrophic or devastating, but significant."

In the Florida Panhandle near Pensacola, Ida washed huge amounts of sand over Fort Pickens Road in Gulf Islands National Seashore, and over heavily traveled J. Earle Bowden Way, which connects Pensacola and Navarre beaches. Both roads are closed indefinitely. Fort Pickens Road was washed out by Hurricane Opal in 1995, and moved to a new location. Hurricane Ivan washed the road out in 2004. It was rebuilt, but was destroyed and rebuilt three more times in 2005, thanks to Tropical Storm Arlene and Hurricanes Cindy and Dennis. The most recent rebuilding of the road put it at a lower elevation, to allow sand to wash over it. It is hoped the cost of this latest repair will be under $1 million.

Editorial comment: perhaps having a low-lying road along a barrier island that regularly washes out, requiring millions in taxpayer repair money to fix, is a bad idea?? Seems to me like this is taxpayer money ill-spent. The 1988 Stafford Act, authorizing the rebuilding of damaged infrastructure after presidentially declared emergencies, has resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money being spent to rebuild infrastructure damaged by tropical storms and hurricanes on barrier islands. In an era of rising sea levels, and with the U.S. in the midst of an active hurricane period expected to last at least another decade, the Stafford Act just doesn't make sense. Those living in areas subject to a very high level of repeated coastal hazards should pay the bills for their willingness to live in harm's way, rather than depending on Uncle Sam.

In a interview in the New York Times after the last time Fort Pickens Road was washed out, Dr. Orrin Pilkey, professor emeritus in the Nicholas School of the Environment at Duke University and author of the excellent 2009 book The Rising Sea, said, "People say, 'What are you going to do, let the road fall in? The correct answer, of course, is yes."

Food shortages in El Salvador after floods kill at least 160
A tropical disturbance that dumped up to 17.4" (442 mm) of rain in 24 hours over central El Salvador on Sunday has triggered the need for urgent food aid after flood and landslides destroyed huge swaths of crops during harvest season, according to the U.N. World Food Program. The storm killed at leat 160 people, with dozens more still missing. About 13,000 people are homeless after the disaster.


Figure 2. Collapsed bridge at Santa Cruz La Libertad, El Salvador, with people trying to cross the river. Image credit: Wunderphotographer DiegoSagrera

For those interested in making a donation to assist in disaster relief for El Salvador, Portlight.org has a Paypal donation page set up for this. All funds raised will be forwarded to José Luis Escobar Alas, Catholic Archbishop of San Salvador, and used to assist flooding victims at the discretion of the Archbishop.

Jeff Masters

Ida on Tuesday Pensacola Beach Pier (FatdaddyMead)
Tuesday morning as Ida passes through.
Ida on Tuesday Pensacola Beach Pier
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OY VEY, Flood.

Hi, Squawk. Yup, prob. sandbags at the doors of the expensive shops/restaurants, lol.
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Quoting tiggeriffic:
Flood...u causing trouble in here again?


Naturally, darlin'! How are you, by the way?
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Flood you know i Still have my reagan Nixon bumper sticker!! Nixon/Reagan - Tan rested and ready!!
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Quoting rareaire:
omg Are we really arguing politics with an old hippie who should probalbly be audited for the last 15 years!


Hey! Old hippie? I'll have you know that I'm a middle-aged hippie!
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Flood...u causing trouble in here again?
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omg Are we really arguing politics with an old hippie who should probalbly be audited for the last 15 years!
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Quoting HurricaneNewbie:
OH well. Lunch is over. Back to the reality of being underworked and overpaid ( somebody has to do it). Supervising others while they work is the only way to go. I get the credit with none of the sweat. HAGD all.


Which would indicate that you are a typical horrid leader.
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Quoting Bonedog:
according to that table the top 400 earners in this country only pay taxes on 17% of there AGI, 53% is itemized deductions, and as a percentage of all AGI in the country it is 1.77%

gotta love the rich. yes they pay more (dollar amount) in taxes then the average person but pay just 2% of the national total THAT my friends is a travisty!!


My point has always been that given the chance wouldn't we all do it? Too many opportunities to pay less=too many people paying lees than they are responsible for paying...

Okay, that off-topic topic has been beaten to death...anyone for ultra-right wing religious organizations? LMAO
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@ 86

I'm here. These usually do not amount to much. Sometimes Annapolis and Alexandria may get some minor flooding at their low lying waterfronts.
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Quoting Chicklit:
The top 1% pay a far lower tax rate than the rest of us and they own at least 60% of the market wealth in this country; there is a statistic for that, but I can't recall it off the top of my head...
In other words, you can count all of the people in the entire country who own stock, and the top one percent still own more than everyone else combined and they pay a lower percentage tax than the rest of us do on their income.
I believe the point about the washed out road is not that government is bad, but that better planning is needed regarding where and how money is spent.
The other side of that argument is waterfront properties bring in a lot of tax revenues from both tourist economies and property taxes so a certain amount of beach and road maintenance actually is good investment of taxpayer money. Without that road perhaps jobs and incomes would be lost.
Expenses versus revenues and affects on local economies should all be put into the equation when deciding whether to rebuilt or restore storm wrecked areas.
Anyway, have a good day everyone.


Another great post, chicklit!
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according to that table the top 400 earners in this country only pay taxes on 17% of there AGI, 53% is itemized deductions, and as a percentage of all AGI in the country it is 1.77%

gotta love the rich. yes they pay more (dollar amount) in taxes then the average person but pay just 2% of the national total THAT my friends is a travisty!!
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97. P451
PUBLIC ADVISORY NUMBER 31 FOR REMNANTS OF IDA
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD AL112009
1000 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

...HEAVY RAINS SPREAD NORTHEAST ACROSS THE CAROLINAS AND THE
MID-ATLANTIC STATES...

FLOOD AND FLASH FLOOD WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND ADVISORIES REMAIN
IN EFFECT ALONG THE GULF COAST...NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE
SOUTHEAST...AND NORTHWARD INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES.

FOR INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE WATCHES
AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV.

AT 1000 AM EST...1500 UTC...THE CENTER OF REMNANTS OF IDA WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 31.9 NORTH...AND LONGITUDE 81.5 WEST...OR 20
MILES...35 KM...SOUTHWEST OF SAVANNAH GEORGIA.

A NEW LOW PRESSURE CENTER IS CURRENTLY FORMING NEAR MYRTLE BEACH
SOUTH CAROLINA...WHICH SHOULD BECOME THE DOMINANT CENTER OF
CIRCULATION LATER TODAY. THIS NEW LOW PRESSURE CENTER WILL TRACK
SLOWLY EAST-NORTHEASTWARD OFFSHORE THE CAROLINAS THURSDAY
NIGHT...BEFORE DROPPING SOUTHWARD ON FRIDAY.


MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 35 MPH...55 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1006 MB...29.71 INCHES.
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OH well. Lunch is over. Back to the reality of being underworked and overpaid ( somebody has to do it). Supervising others while they work is the only way to go. I get the credit with none of the sweat. HAGD all.
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I take that back about killing blog. Hello Stormy and Chicklit, both + posts.

I always find myself in agreement with Chicklit and she sure holds her own when I'm re-reading posts. Awesome.

Anyway, about rebuilding in oft-damaged areas...mitigation is essential and key. If one is going to charge the taxpayers, make it better, stronger, and while you're at it, as economical AND eco-friendly as possible. Not saying it's easy!
Member Since: Αύγουστος 19, 2008 Posts: 32 Comments: 1918
Since I already killed the blog...

So I'm sitting here waiting for the Emergency Personnel National Situation Update...almost noon...and remember it's a gov. holiday.
Oh for Pete's sakes...where are the "Essential Personnel???!!!??" Somebody oughtta post, holiday or not. My personal gripe for the day, now out of my system, thank you very much, iggy button is always at your disposal.
Member Since: Αύγουστος 19, 2008 Posts: 32 Comments: 1918
The top 1% pay a far lower tax rate than the rest of us and they own at least 60% of the market wealth in this country; there is a statistic for that, but I can't recall it off the top of my head...
In other words, you can count all of the people in the entire country who own stock, and the top one percent still own more than everyone else combined and they pay a lower percentage tax than the rest of us do on their income.
I believe the point about the washed out road is not that government is bad, but that better planning is needed regarding where and how money is spent.
The other side of that argument is waterfront properties bring in a lot of tax revenues from both tourist economies and property taxes so a certain amount of beach and road maintenance actually is good investment of taxpayer money. Without that road perhaps jobs and incomes would be lost.
Expenses versus revenues and effects on local economies should all be put into the equation when deciding whether to rebuild or restore storm wrecked areas.
Anyway, have a good day everyone.
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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WAKEFIELD VA
1144 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

.NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 PM THIS EVENING/...
ISSUED MINOR UPDATES TO TEMP...WIND...AND QPF FORECASTS. ONLY
MINIMAL CHANGES MADE HWR GIVEN THE LATEST OBS/TRENDS AND NEW 12Z
NAM/RUC/LOCAL WRF GUIDANCE. CERTAINLY A RATHER MESSY COUPLE OF
DAYS AHEAD FOR THE FCST AREA...WITH THE HIGH WINDS AND CSTL
FLOODING ALONG/NEAR THE COASTS HIGHLIGHTING THE MYRIAD OF CONCERNS
ACROSS THE REGION.

FOR THE AFTN...WE WILL STILL BE EVALUATING THE NEED TO START THE
HIGH WIND WARNING SOONER...DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE (SPEED) OF
DEEPENING AS THE LOW TRACKS OFF THE GA COAST. WIND GUSTS ARE
ALREADY TO GALE FORCE (AROUND 40 MPH) OVER HAMPTON ROADS...WHILE
THE BUOY AT CHESAPEAKE LIGHT ALREADY REPORTING 40-45 KTS (AROUND
50 MPH). IN TERMS OF CSTL FLOODING...EXPECT MINOR TIDAL FLOODING
TO BEGIN WITH THIS AFTN`S HIGH TIDES IN AND NEAR HAMPTON ROADS.

MORE MODERATE TO SEVERE TIDAL FLOODING IS STILL EXPECTED BEGINNING
WITH THE HIGH TIDE CYCLES BEGINNING THURSDAY MORNING AND
CONTINUING THROUGH POSSIBLY AS LATE AS FRI AFTN...WITH THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT CSTL FLOODING NOW ANTICIPATED DURING THE THU
AFTN/EVENING AND FRI MORNING HIGH TIDE CYCLE. LATEST GFS-BASED
EXTRATROPICAL STORM SURGE GUIDANCE NOW SHOWS 8.2 FT PEAK TIDE
LEVELS MLLW AT SEWELLS PT WITH THE HIGH TIDE THU EVENING...AND
NEAR 8 FT MLLW FRIDAY MORNING.

THE CONCERN IS THAT THE GFS-BASED GUIDANCE MAY BE CONSERVATIVE...
CONSIDERING THE NAM HAS SHOWN HIGHER WIND FIELDS (NAM BASED STORM
SURGE FCST GUIDANCE...OR CBOF...ONLY GOES OUT THROUGH 24 HRS OR
THU MORNING). AGAIN...WE CERTAINLY COULD BE LOOKING AT LEAST A
NEAR- HISTORIC EVENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE COASTAL FLOODING IN
HAMPTON ROADS...CERTAINLY ONE THAT WOULD RIVAL (IF NOT EXCEED)
ISABEL IN 2003 AND THE TWIN NOREASTERS JAN 27-28 AND FEB 4-5 1998.
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Flood, dah-link, my dinosaur comrade.
There is no longer an HEW. They broke them up in the 80s.
There's HHS (Health & Human Services)
And the Department of Education -- once (maybe twice) nearly abolished.
My father worked for HEW, then Ed. Sometime in 80s told us horror stories of folks coming back from work trips or leave to find their offices gone, locked up, changed, abolished... he was never one for hyperbole.
Member Since: Αύγουστος 19, 2008 Posts: 32 Comments: 1918
Quoting centralflaman:


The top 1% of Americans pay 60% of all Income tax collected!


IRS data does not support that claim.
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Quoting DVG:
When I travel overseas, I always bring a pen.
When you come home, you have to pay taxes on purchases. They hand out cards to be filled as you approach the port of entry.

I like the fair tax because it allows the poor to save, and taxes the wealthy at a fair rate.

But yeah, politicians get a lot of perks from lobbyists.

As long as we vote for people promising the moon, eventually that's what we'll have. A pretty bleak landscape.
I believe this leads back to education. Poloticians do not want an educated public voting.
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Quoting DVG:
When I travel overseas, I always bring a pen.
When you come home, you have to pay taxes on purchases. They hand out cards to be filled as you approach the port of entry.

I like the fair tax because it allows the poor to save, and taxes the wealthy at a fair rate.

But yeah, politicians get a lot of perks from lobbyists.

As long as we vote for people promising the moon, eventually that's what we'll have. A pretty bleak landscape.


Well put...
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Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Shameless 98L

the last gasps of 2009 season for atlantic 18 days 12 hrs to go
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Good Morning, Squawk, if you're lurking. Will be looking for "man on the street" reports:

Coastal Flood Watch
Issued/Updated: 431 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009
Effective: 100 PM EST THU NOV 12 2009
Expiration: 600 AM EST SAT NOV 14 2009

MDZ017-018-111745-
/O.NEW.KLWX.CF.A.0002.091112T1800Z-091114T1100Z/
ST. MARYS-CALVERT-
431 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

...COASTAL FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH
LATE FRIDAY NIGHT...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON HAS
ISSUED A COASTAL FLOOD WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY
AFTERNOON THROUGH LATE FRIDAY NIGHT.

A LOW PRESSURE AREA OFF THE NORTH CAROLINA COAST WILL RESIDE OVER
ROUGHLY THE SAME AREA FOR THE LATTER HALF OF THIS WEEK. GUSTY
NORTHEASTERLY WINDS WILL PUSH ACROSS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND TIDAL
POTOMAC WATERS THROUGH THIS PERIOD. EFFECTS FROM THE STRENGTHENING
LOW WILL BRING HEIGHTENED WATER LEVELS BY LATE THURSDAY...WITH
MINOR FLOODING POSSIBLE. MODERATE FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE DURING
TIMES OF HIGH TIDE ON FRIDAY AND INTO SATURDAY... DEPENDING OF THE
TRACK AND STRENGTH OF THE LOW AS THE WEEKEND APPROACHES.

HERE ARE THE TIMES OF THE NEXT HIGH TIDES DURING THE WATCH PERIOD.
FOR A FEW LOCATIONS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH...

ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY...
SOLOMONS ISLAND...10:25 PM THURSDAY...11:19 AM AND 11:14 PM FRIDAY...
POINT LOOKOUT...9:35 PM THURSDAY...10:29 AM AND 10:24 PM FRIDAY...

NOW ALONG THE POTOMAC RIVER...
WICOMICO RIVER NEAR COBB ISLAND...8:33 PM THURSDAY...9:13 PM AND
9:29 PM FRIDAY...

A COASTAL FLOOD WATCH MEANS THAT CONDITIONS FAVORABLE FOR
FLOODING ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP. COASTAL RESIDENTS SHOULD BE
ALERT FOR LATER STATEMENTS OR WARNINGS...AND TAKE ACTION TO
PROTECT PROPERTY.

$$

Hazardous Weather Outlook

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR THE MARYLAND PORTION OF THE
CHESAPEAKE BAY...TIDAL POTOMAC RIVER...AND ADJACENT COUNTIES IN
CENTRAL MARYLAND AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT OF
COLUMBIA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR THE ENTIRE MARYLAND
CHESAPEAKE BAY AND TIDAL POTOMAC RIVER TODAY.

TONIGHT...THE SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO A GALE
WARNING FOR THE LOWER TIDAL POTOMAC AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY SOUTH
OF SANDY POINT...INCLUDING ADJACENT INLETS. THE SMALL CRAFT
ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT NORTH OF SANDY POINT INCLUDING
BALTIMORE HARBOR AND THE CHESTER RIVER...AS WELL AS NORTH OF COBB
ISLAND.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY

THE GALE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT THURSDAY FOR THE LOWER TIDAL
POTOMAC AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY SOUTH OF SANDY POINT...INCLUDING
ADJACENT INLETS. THE SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT
THURSDAY NORTH OF SANDY POINT INCLUDING BALTIMORE HARBOR AND THE
CHESTER RIVER...AS WELL AS NORTH OF COBB ISLAND.

SMALL CRAFT CONDITIONS CAN BE EXPECTED THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT. GALE
WARNINGS MAY NEED TO BE EXTENDED FOR THE LOWER TIDAL POTOMAC AND
MID CHESAPEAKE BAY.

A COASTAL FLOOD WATCH HAS BEEN POSTED FOR CALVERT AND SAINT MARYS
COUNTIES BEGINNING THURSDAY AFTERNOON...AND FOR THE REMAINDER OF
THE WESTERN SHORELINE OF THE BAY AS WELL AS ALL COUNTIES ADJACENT
TO THE TIDAL POTOMAC RIVER BEGINNING FRIDAY MORNING. THE COASTAL
FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT AT THIS TIME...
BUT MAY NEED TO BE EXTENDED. LOW PRESSURE EMERGING OFF THE
CAROLINA COAST AND HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE NORTHEASTERN UNITED
STATES WILL RESULT IN PROLONGED NORTHEASTERLY FLOW. WATER LEVELS
WILL RISE AS A RESULT. MODERATE TIDAL FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE...
MAINLY DURING HIGH TIDES BEGINNING THURSDAY NIGHT ACROSS THE MID
BAY AND BEGINNING THE FRIDAY HIGH TIDE CYCLE ACROSS THE ENTIRE
ESTUARY.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION WILL NOT BE NEEDED THROUGH TONIGHT.


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@74

You're right...it would need some tweaking though
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84. DVG
When I travel overseas, I always bring a pen.
When you come home, you have to pay taxes on purchases. They hand out cards to be filled as you approach the port of entry.

I like the fair tax because it allows the poor to save, and taxes the wealthy at a fair rate.

But yeah, politicians get a lot of perks from lobbyists.

As long as we vote for people promising the moon, eventually that's what we'll have. A pretty bleak landscape.
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Quoting centralflaman:
I am all for the national Sales tax! But it will never happen because of tax lawyer lobbyist that are in the pockets of Congress. The government loves red tape because that is what the lobbyist want to make average Americans have to hire people to go through the red tape and that is what is realy frustarating.
reverse whose in whose pockets and I think you have a valid point
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Quoting HurricaneKing:


Well from what I've read it's supposed to speed to the coast then cut off and slam on brakes for a couple days.


Maybe so, HK. That is my understanding also. Just watching for now. I'm certainly not an expert on this kind of weather!
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Quoting HurricaneNewbie:
Let the crap start flying.. Rush Limbaugh sux... not really but the mention of the name should start the storm.. LOL


Check your WUMail...I'd rather not be banned
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Quoting centralflaman:
I am all for the national Sales tax! But it will never happen because of tax lawyer lobbyist that are in the pockets of Congress. The government loves red tape because that is what the lobbyist want to make average Americans have to hire people to go through the red tape and that is what is realy frustarating.


excuse my spelling I was distracted by the kids!! lmao
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I am all for the national Sales tax! But it will never happen because of tax lawyer lobbyist that are in the pockets of Congress. The government loves red tape because that is what the lobbyist want to make average Americans have to hire people to go through the red tape and that is what is realy frustarating.
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Shameless 98L

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i agree with dr no
Quoting stormpetrol:
I'm I right in assuming that actually remnant low of Ida is actually back in the GOM.


Last position update at 06Z today:
AL 11 2009111106 BEST 0 308N 855W 25 1006 EX
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Quoting beell:


Just a thought based on Sat Obs.
Link


Well from what I've read it's supposed to speed to the coast then cut off and slam on brakes for a couple days.
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Quoting Floodman:


However, based on their earnings, they should be paying more like 80% (and the gap between their earnings and ours grows larger every year)...the point is that they have more tax breaks and loop holes that make what they pay proportionately less; I know a great number of wealthy people and most agree with the proviso that anyone would do it; you'd certainly try to keep as much of your income as you possibly could. That's all moot though, if a National sales tax were put into place...oddly, most of the wealthy people I know are, at least on paper, in favor of such a tax.

That having been said, what would keep the wealthy from going off shore to make their major purchases?
Is there not already an import tax? just askin
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Quoting Orcasystems:


I had to clean coffee off my monitor when I read that... and it wasn't funny


The state of public educatiuon is ridiculous...students that want to learn can't, teachers are afraid in the classroom and HEW is blind to conditions...it is reaching critical mass
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Quoting Drakoen:


The GFS and ECMWF has the low hanging around until Saturday.


Just a thought based on Sat Obs.
Link
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Quoting centralflaman:


The top 1% of Americans pay 60% of all Income tax collected!

Good. That's in line with how much more they make than the rest of us.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
LOL, Flood...heck, no...my small brain grabbed onto this part!

This is a species "that no one has seen before and one that has a very significant position in the family tree of dinosaurs,"



Ahhh...now I see it...LOL
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Quoting centralflaman:


The top 1% of Americans pay 60% of all Income tax collected!


However, based on their earnings, they should be paying more like 80% (and the gap between their earnings and ours grows larger every year)...the point is that they have more tax breaks and loop holes that make what they pay proportionately less; I know a great number of wealthy people and most agree with the proviso that anyone would do it; you'd certainly try to keep as much of your income as you possibly could. That's all moot though, if a National sales tax were put into place...oddly, most of the wealthy people I know are, at least on paper, in favor of such a tax.

That having been said, what would keep the wealthy from going off shore to make their major purchases?
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LOL, Flood...heck, no...my small brain grabbed onto this part!

This is a species "that no one has seen before and one that has a very significant position in the family tree of dinosaurs,"

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Quoting Floodman:


Wow, you're kidding, right? First the achievment testing (let's all stop learning and cram for the test!) now the baility to buy a better grade...next you'll be able to pay someone to go to school for you...LOL


I had to clean coffee off my monitor when I read that... and it wasn't funny
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Quoting beell:
Maybe Jedkins was thinking the upper system was looking a little more progressive than what is expected.



The GFS and ECMWF has the low hanging around until Saturday.
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Quoting Floodman:


I do believe that people that have a great deal of money DO pay more in taxes, monetarily, than the rest of us do, but I aklso believe that they get breaks that make what they pay less, proportionately, than we do...I don't blame them for trying to hang to as much of their money as they can, but they do have more opportunities to pay less...a sales tax only makes sense


The top 1% of Americans pay 60% of all Income tax collected!
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@55.

Ummm, Awake, you're saying that we resemble obese, small brained dinosaurs? I, uh...well, I'm not seeing the connection...LOL

To be honest, I'm not sure that I want to...LOL
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I'm I right in assuming that actually remnant low of Ida is actually back in the GOM.
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Quoting largeeyes:
Luckily eastern NC can take a LOT of rain before flooding becomes a big issue. Sure, local streams and poor drainage areas will be a problem, but the sounds and rivers, like the Neuse, very very rarely flood.


Only time I've seen trouble is when the Bay river (River b/w the neuse to the south and the pamlico river to the north. Tiny river in Pamlico county) was coming uo thanks to the tide and it started raining with rates around 2inches. It went from a surge of the 4-6 feet to aroound 7 feet in around an hour like that. That extra foot meant scrambling to get the cars to higher ground. Then after the rain dropped the water went back down to around the average 5 foot tide mark.
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Maybe Jedkins was thinking the upper system was looking a little more progressive than what is expected.

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regarding dr. matsers' comments on tropical cyclone prone locations and barrier island development, and i quote him: "areas subject to a very high level of repeated coastal hazards"... it is the repeated incidence on singular developed locations, like Dauphin, that seem, at least to me, to be discernible from other disaster prone regions like tornado alley or drought prone locales. use of tax funds for disaster relief could be catered to this notion, and still be statistically sound and fair to citizens among all the dangerous places choosen to live. But i do believe that very danger should be calculated and that individuals ought to absorb the risks and costs proportionately to the levels of local incidence. imo
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