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Act I, Scene I, Tropical Depression One of the Hurricane Season of 2010
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:57 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010 +5
Act I, Scene I, Tropical Depression One of the 2010 hurricane is at hand. The storm is already bringing heavy rains to northern Honduras, where 3.78" fell at Puerto Lempira, on the coast near the Nicaragua border. Recent satellite images show continued development of TD 1's heavy thunderstorm activity, and this depression appears to be a lock to intensify into Tropical Storm Alex by Saturday morning. I'll save a more detailed analysis for Saturday morning, and merely post some historical data on how similar storms have behaved over the past twenty years.

History of storms similar to TD 1
Dr. Jonathan Vigh of the National Center for Atmospheric Research has put together a brief synopsis of tropical cyclones (1989-2008) which formed near NW Honduras or east of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula or developed while over the Yucatan, or storms which were already formed but later hit the Yucatan Peninsula. Storms which formed late in the season and recurved into Cuba were not examined. Out of the 19 storms which hit the Yucatan, 8 went on to make a second Gulf Coast landfall in Mexico, 5 hit the U.S. Gulf Coast, and 6 died after hitting the Yucatan. A few storms formed while over the Yucatan and went in various directions. He makes a few notes about how passage over the Yucatan changed the radius of maximum winds (RMW) of the storms.

Storms that hit the Yucatan, then hit Mexico on the west side of the Gulf of Mexico:
Diana 1990: Developed E of Nicaragua, hit Yucatan as tropical Storm (TS), hit near Tampico as a hurricane. Normal decrease in RMW during intensification to hurricane: RMW droped from ~40 n mi to 15 n mi.



Gert 1993: Traveled as TD over Nicaragua, became a TS and then hit Belize, hit near Tampico as a hurricane. RMW 30-35 n mi during intensification.

Roxanne 1995: Formed east of Nicauragua, hit near Cozumel as hurricane, did some loops and then died in Bay of Campeche. RMW dropped from 30 n mi to 10 n mi before first Yucatan hit, then became very large for a day or two, then contracted down to 3 n mi, then became large again (>50 n mi), then contracted once more before storm died. Was doing several loops in Bay of Compeche during this time.

Dolly 1996: Formed west of Jamaica, hit south of Cozumel as hurricane, then hit MX as a hurricane. RMW increased from 7 to 40 n mi before Yucatan landfall, then afterwards decreased to 13 n mi as the storm intensified before 2nd landfall.

Keith 2000: Developed off NE Honduras, hit Belize as major hurricane, weakened to TD, then redeveloped and hit MX coast as hurricane. RMW decreased to 9 n mi before the rapid intensification, then increased to about 25 nm mi before landfall. Increased to 30 n mi by second landfall.

Emily 2005: Hit Yucatan as major hurricane, hit S of Brownsville as a hurricane. RMW increased from ~10 n mi before landfall, to about 30 n mi after Yucatan crossing, then decreased back down to 10-15 n mi by second landfall.

Stan 2005: Formed just SE of Cozumel, hit near there as TS, weakend to TD then shifted S and hit Bay of Campeche coast as hurricane, caused massive flooding. After Yucatan crossing, RMW decreased from ~40 n mi to about 5 n mi before 2nd landfall - normal progression.

Dean 2007: through Caribbean as hurricane, hit just N of Belize as major hurricane, hit near Tampico as hurricane. RMW was about 13 n mi before Yucatan landfall, then >40 n mi after before shrinking to 28 n mi by 2nd landfall.

Storms that hit the Yucatan, then hit the U.S. Gulf Coast:
Isidore 2002: Hurricane south of Cuba, hit W tip of Cuba then deflected into N Yucatan, inner core wiped out, then hit LA as a gigantic TS. RMW ~7 n mi before
Yucatan landfall, then off the scale afterward.

Bill 2003: Formed after traveling over Yucatan, hit LA as TS. Large RMW dropped to 12 n mi by LA landfall.

Claudette 2003: TS south of Hispianola, grazed tip of Yucatan as TS, hit near Corpos Christi as hurricane. RMW increased to >40 n mi BEFORE Yucatan landfall, then dropped to 20 - 35 n mi range afterward.

Cindy 2005: Hit Yucatan as TD, became TS day later, hit LA as hurricane. Little data, but RMW was 15-30 n mi by landfall.



Wilma 2005: Spent about a day over Yucatan, weakened and became very large, but RMW was little changed: 30-35 n mi before and after (eventually with much larger outer RMW).

Storms which died after hitting the Yucatan:
TD 8 1994 Formed near NE Honduras coast, hit Belize, died

Kyle 1996 Hit Belize as TS, died.

Katrina 1999 Developed E of Nicaurgua, hit as TS, hit Belize as TD, died

Chantal 2001 TS across Caribbean, hit Yucatan, deflected southward and died.

Iris 2001 Hurricane across Caribbean, hit Belize and died.

Arthur 2008 Formed just before hitting Belize as TS, died.

Storms that developed over the Yucatan:
Opal 1995: Developed over Yucatan, underwent rapid intensification, got a tight inner core, then weakened and hit FL as major hurricane of normal size. RMW was actually very small (5 n mi) a day after coming off the Yucatan, but increased to be quite large (25-35 n mi) before the rapid intensification period commenced and brought it back down to 7 n mi. RMW increased rapidly to >40 n mi right before landfall.



Gordon 2000: Developed over Yucatan, became hurricane then hit FL as TS north of Tampa. RMW increased from 5 n mi before Yucatan landfall, to 40 n mi afterward, then decreased back to 3 n mi during the subsequent intensification. Made landfall with RMW of 35 n mi.

Larry 2003: Formed after crossing top of Yucatan, hit south shore of Bay of Campeche as TS, died.

Gert 2005: Formed in Bay of Campeche after traveling over Honduras and Yucatan, hit MX as TS.

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751. Hurricanes12 04:26 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Seastep:


Do you have to reply to everything?

No offense intended, just saying.

He's simply just an active attendee of this blog. He is actually a great source of information as well.
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752. TampaSpin 04:26 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
I may have been wrong when looking at in on RGB
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753. MiamiHurricanes09 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Where?
That isn't true. Look at the discussion:

"THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER IN AN 0010 UTC
SSMIS PASS APPEARED DISPLACED A LITTLE TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE DEEP
CONVECTION."

They aren't talking about re-location but instead motion.
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754. louisianaweatherguy 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
ok so maybe it didnt really say "relocated" is says displaced.. guess it aint the same thing... lol
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755. CosmicEvents 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting will45:
Link this is a good read when Doc Masters flew into Hugo
Oh yes.
I definitely agree.
That's a great read. After reading about what happened to Dr. Masters you'll realize that that's as close as you want to come......reading about it.
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756. KoritheMan 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting bappit:

Could it be the feature that a lot of the models are predicting will drive the surface circulation of AL01 (or Alex) south west near the Mexican coast?


Possibly, since the GFS does broaden it out a bit. This would seem to indicate to me that the anticyclone weakens at 200 mb and above, and concentrates its remaining energy in the mid-levels.
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757. Grothar 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Enjoy. Bedtime

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758. MiamiHurricanes09 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


No, he's right. Hurricanes typically undergo eyewall replacement cycles after reaching a frighteningly high intensity.

Now, as to whether or not this principle is applicable to tropical depressions is another story entirely...
Yeah, usually eyewall replacement cycles take place when a CAT 5. weakens to CAT 4. or below.
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759. KoritheMan 04:27 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting louisianaweatherguy:
ok so maybe it didnt really say "relocated" is says displaced.. guess it aint the same thing... lol


It's far from the same thing.
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760. Mclem1 04:28 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


No, he's right. Hurricanes typically undergo eyewall replacement cycles after reaching a frighteningly high intensity.

Now, as to whether or not this principle is applicable to tropical depressions is another story entirely...


That's true. Look at Katrina. She was high intensity and went through EWR just before making landfall. It amazingly could have been worse...
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761. scott39 04:28 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting louisianaweatherguy:
WTNT41 KNHC 260239
TCDAT1
TROPICAL DEPRESSION ONE DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL012010
1100 PM EDT FRI JUN 25 2010

WHILE DEEP CONVECTION HAS INCREASED NEAR THE CENTER OF THE CYCLONE
OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS...THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER IN AN 0010 UTC
SSMIS PASS APPEARED DISPLACED A LITTLE TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE DEEP
CONVECTION
. THIS TILT IS CONSISTENT WITH AROUND 10 KT OF NORTHERLY
OR NORTHEASTERLY SHEAR ANALYZED OVER THE CYCLONE BY THE SHIPS MODEL
AND UW-CIMSS. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS HELD AT 30 KT IN AGREEMENT
WITH THE SAB DVORAK ESTIMATE AT 0000 UTC. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE
HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE DEPRESSION
LATER TONIGHT.
I wonder how much a little is?
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762. washingaway 04:28 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting ATL:

Maybe he's referring to eyewall replacement cycles?


Eyewall replacement only happens with intense storms, relocation happens weak storms.
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763. MiamiHurricanes09 04:28 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Seastep:


Do you have to reply to everything?

No offense intended, just saying.
Maybe I do.
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764. KoritheMan 04:28 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah, usually eyewall replacement cycles take place when a CAT 5. weakens to CAT 4. or below.


Sometimes.

But generally, the weakening is a direct result of the EWRC, not the other way around...
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765. HellaGoose 04:29 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
What is the website where you can see the HH info live as it comes in??

Thanks!
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766. MiamiHurricanes09 04:29 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Sometimes.

But generally, the weakening is a direct result of the EWRC, not the other way around...
Yeah.
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767. KoritheMan 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Mclem1:


That's true. Look at Katrina. She was high intensity and went through EWR just before making landfall. It amazingly could have been worse...


Indeed.
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768. Mclem1 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah.


Haha I enjoy that this comment may have been just out of spite.
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769. scott39 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


It's far from the same thing.
What does displaced mean?
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770. TampaSpin 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Sarcasm flag? Hurricanes are likely to replace their eyewall when they weaken, not when they strengthen.


This is not correct in my opinion...it is just the opposite.
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771. will45 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting HellaGoose:
What is the website where you can see the HH info live as it comes in??

Thanks!


Link
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772. MississippiWx 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
That isn't true. Look at the discussion:

"THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER IN AN 0010 UTC
SSMIS PASS APPEARED DISPLACED A LITTLE TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE DEEP
CONVECTION."

They aren't talking about re-location but instead motion.


Center looks to be around 17N 84W...Looks like it has jumped north and located under the new batch of deep convection.
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773. Levi32 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Hey all, just checking in for a few.

On the discussion about relocating centers....tropical depressions and even tropical storms are not exempt from such an event. Hurricanes don't usually relocate their centers, but I have seen many strong tropical storms do it.

TD 1 could very possibly relocate slightly to the northeast as it is still trying to reel in that old piece of upper energy. That's why this morning in my blog I opined that strengthening of this would be gradual today and tonight, not explosive. It has everything coming together but still a few quirks to work out. The recon will show us whether the surface center has tried to shift or not.

I'm also not entirely sold on the straight jam west across the Bay of Campeche and right on into Mexico south of 24N like most of the models are starting to show....I think it could be farther north than that, but that is something I will investigate more in the morning. Too much calculus to do right now.
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774. jlp09550 04:30 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting HellaGoose:
What is the website where you can see the HH info live as it comes in??

Thanks!


http://www.tropicalatlantic.com/recon/ge/Recon_Data_for_the_Atlantic_Basin.kmz
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775. KoritheMan 04:32 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting scott39:
What does displaced mean?


Displaced means that it's not collocated with the deepest convection.
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776. louisianaweatherguy 04:32 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
this things making me nervous getting into the WESTERN gulf... these things like to hook and turn all the time... UGHHH

I just hope it clears out of the way before 4th of July weekend - we supposed to be traveling to Dallas for the weekend...
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777. KoritheMan 04:32 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


This is not correct in my opinion...it is just the opposite.


Thank you. lol
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778. ATL 04:32 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Sometimes.

But generally, the weakening is a direct result of the EWRC, not the other way around...

Yes. As a hurricane becomes more powerful the eye tends to contract. After a certain point it "collapses" for lack of a better word, and a new, larger eye is formed. While the storm weakens temporarily, this isn't a sign of impeding death-just about every major does this after a certain period. Often storms resume their earlier intensity. If an ERI happens in conjunction with land interaction, shear, etc. then the storm may weaken more quickly since it's more vulnerable in that position.
779. will45 04:32 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting will45:


Link
Welcome anytime
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780. xcool 04:32 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
TampaSpin ?
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782. jlp09550 04:33 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting louisianaweatherguy:
this things making me nervous getting into the WESTERN gulf... these things like to hook and turn all the time... UGHHH

I just hope it clears out of the way before 4th of July weekend - we supposed to be traveling to Dallas for the weekend...


Just curious, where in Louisiana are you from? I'm near Intracoastal City.
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783. Seastep 04:33 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
I like your spunk, miami. :)
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784. jpsb 04:33 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Sometimes.

But generally, the weakening is a direct result of the EWRC, not the other way around...
Correct, an intense tight eye wall is replace by a larger not as intense eye wall, then the storm like a skater tighten up it's eye wall, spins faster and regains it's intensity. Typically this only happens with very strong storms (cat4, 5).
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785. MiamiHurricanes09 04:34 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Seastep:
I like your spunk, miami. :)
Lol.
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786. Grothar 04:34 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Just an observation. In Ft. Lauderdale, the clouds are moving rapidly to the South and West. This usually indicates they are being pulled by a strong low. It is pulling a lot of moisture from the Atlantic. You can actually see it on the image.
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787. TampaSpin 04:34 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Hey all, just checking in for a few.

On the discussion about relocating centers....tropical depressions and even tropical storms are not exempt from such an event. Hurricanes don't usually relocate their centers, but I have seen many strong tropical storms do it.

TD 1 could very possibly relocate slightly to the northeast as it is still trying to reel in that old piece of upper energy. That's why this morning in my blog I opined that strengthening of this would be gradual today and tonight, not explosive. It has everything coming together but still a few quirks to work out. The recon will show us whether the surface center has tried to shift or not.

I'm also not entirely sold on the straight jam west across the Bay of Campeche and right on into Mexico south of 24N like most of the models are starting to show....I think it could be farther north than that, but that is something I will investigate more in the morning. Too much calculus to do right now.


You are absolutely correct although we have seen Weak Canes Jump its energy across land masses but not often....Thanks Levi!
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788. hercj 04:35 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting will45:
Link this is a good read when Doc Masters flew into Hugo

Quoting CosmicEvents:
Oh yeah!
I definitely agree with that. Great read. After you read it.....you'll know that reading about that flight you'll realize that it is as close as you really want to go.Oh yes.
I definitely agree.
That's a great read. After reading about what happened to Dr. Masters you'll realize that that's as close as you want to come......reading about it.
Link
go to this link and turn the lights off in your room and understand this is what it is like in the eyewall of a cat 5 at 2 in the morning over the Caribbean. Enjoy.
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789. leo305 04:35 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Grothar:
Just an observation. In Ft. Lauderdale, the clouds are moving rapidly to the South and West. This usually indicates they are being pulled by a strong low. It is pulling a lot of moisture from the Atlantic. You can actually see it on the image.


its really windy here in SFL.. pressure gradient continues to get tighter
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790. KoritheMan 04:35 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting ATL:

Yes. As a hurricane becomes more powerful the eye tends to contract. After a certain point it "collapses" for lack of a better word, and a new, larger eye is formed. While the storm weakens temporarily, this isn't a sign of impeding death-just about every major does this after a certain period. Often storms resume their earlier intensity. If an ERI happens in conjunction with land interaction, shear, etc. then the storm may weaken more quickly since it's more vulnerable in that position.


Correct.

It should also be noted that EWRC's, particularly the farther from the equator the hurricane is, typically broaden the associated wind field upon their completion.
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791. stormwatcherCI 04:36 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


It's far from the same thing.
Be nice now Kori. A lot of us don't know these things and need people like you and MH09 to clear it up for us. Thanks.
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792. MiamiHurricanes09 04:36 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting MississippiWx:


Center looks to be around 17N 84W...Looks like it has jumped north and located under the new batch of deep convection.
Let's see what the HH show.
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794. jpsb 04:36 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Too much calculus to do right now.
Calculus is fun, I miss it. Looking forward to your take on TD1 tomorrow.
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795. Tazmanian 04:36 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.1.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 26 JUN 2010 Time : 031500 UTC
Lat : 16:42:46 N Lon : 84:26:24 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.8 /1002.0mb/ 41.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
2.8 3.0 3.7

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -55.6C Cloud Region Temp : -57.6C

Scene Type : CURVED BAND with 0.83 ARC in LT GRAY

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.2T/hour
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF



rwa T # isw up too 3.7
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796. louisianaweatherguy 04:36 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Albany, LA
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797. MississippiWx 04:37 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
This is about as close as we get to a "monsoon depression" in the Atlantic basin. Very large system, typically seen in the Western Pacific.
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798. oceanblues32 04:38 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
So I guess us here in southeast florida dodged a bullet what about this invest by the leeward islands might we dodge that one as well
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799. Levi32 04:38 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Correct.

It should also be noted that EWRC's, particularly the farther from the equator the hurricane is, typically broaden the associated wind field.


Exactly....that's what made Hurricane Katrina so big in the gulf.
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800. CosmicEvents 04:39 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Hey all, just checking in for a few.

On the discussion about relocating centers....tropical depressions and even tropical storms are not exempt from such an event. Hurricanes don't usually relocate their centers, but I have seen many strong tropical storms do it.

TD 1 could very possibly relocate slightly to the northeast as it is still trying to reel in that old piece of upper energy. That's why this morning in my blog I opined that strengthening of this would be gradual today and tonight, not explosive. It has everything coming together but still a few quirks to work out. The recon will show us whether the surface center has tried to shift or not.

I'm also not entirely sold on the straight jam west across the Bay of Campeche and right on into Mexico south of 24N like most of the models are starting to show....I think it could be farther north than that, but that is something I will investigate more in the morning. Too much calculus to do right now.
Thanks for stopping by. Personally, I'll feel more comfortable for the Northern or Eastern Gulf once this cyclone passes 90 degrees. I've seen too many never get past that point before turning north or boomeranging. And I'm not liking the trend that we've seen in the last few runs.
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801. louisianaweatherguy 04:39 AM GMT on Ιούνιος 26, 2010    
is there anyway to private message in this chat room?
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