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97L continues to grow more organized; headed for Bahamas and Florida
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 07:07 PM GMT on Ιούλιος 20, 2010 +1
A tropical wave (Invest 97L) between Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic has continued to become more organized today, and is a threat to develop into a tropical depression as early as Wednesday morning. The disturbance has brought heavy rains of 8+ inches to Culebra and Vieques islands over the past day, and all of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are under flash flood watches today. The storm could bring an additional 3 - 6 inches of rain to the islands over the next two days. The upper level low centered a few hundred miles north of the Dominican Republic is no longer bringing high levels of wind shear to 97L; wind shear has fallen to the moderate range, 10 - 15 knots, which should allow 97L to continue to develop today. Satellite images of 97L show a moderate area of steadily organizing thunderstorms, with curved bands developing to the north and east of the center. There are no signs of a surface circulation on satellite imagery or on the 10:38am EDT ASCAT pass. Surface observations show only light winds over Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, but the surface winds at Punta Cana on the eastern tip of the Dominican Republic have shifted to the west this afternoon, indicating that a surface circulation may be forming just north of that location. Long-range radar loops from San Juan do not show any evidence of a surface circulation. The Hurricane Hunter mission scheduled for today was canceled, but is scheduled to fly Wednesday afternoon.


Figure 1. Total precipitation from 97L as predicted by the 12Z (8 am EDT) July 20, 2010 run of the HWRF model. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Track Forecast for 97L
The storm is in a fairly straightforward steering current environment, and 97L should progress steadily to the west-northwest through Saturday. The rains from 97L's thunderstorms will bring the threat of isolated flooding to the Dominican Republic today and Wednesday, and to Haiti on Wednesday and Thursday. Heavy rains from 97L will begin moving into eastern Cuba, the Turks and Caicos Islands, and the eastern Bahamas on Wednesday, and South Florida can expect heavy rains to arrive as early as Thursday night. The latest suite of model runs from 8am EDT this morning (12Z) foresee a more northerly track for 97L into Central Florida. Several models develop 97L into a tropical storm, with both the GFDL and HWRF models predicting 97L will hit South or Central Florida as a tropical storm on Friday. Most of the models have 97L entering the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday, but the amount of time 97L has over the Gulf may be limited to a day or less if the storm ends up exiting into the Gulf near Tampa Bay. The NOGAPS model predicts a more southerly path across South Florida and into Louisiana.

Intensity Forecast for 97L
One factor potentially aiding development of 97L will be the Madden-Julian oscillation, which currently favors upward motion over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean. The Madden-Julian oscillation is a pattern of enhanced rainfall that travels along the Equator from west to east. The pattern has a wet phase with large-scale rising air and enhanced thunderstorm activity, followed by a dry phase with large-scale sinking air and suppressed thunderstorm activity. Each cycle lasts approximately 30 - 60 days. When the Madden-Julian oscillation is in its wet phase over a hurricane-prone region, the chances for tropical storm activity are greatly increased. Also in favor of development are the warm ocean temperatures of 29°C. The SHIPS model predicts shear will stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. The primary detriment to development of 97L over the next three days will probably be the presence of dry, stable air in its path over the Bahamas, thanks to the upper-level low to the north of the Dominican Republic. If the center forms close to the coast of the Dominican Republic, the high mountains of Hispaniola may also be a problem for the storm. NHC is giving 97L a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday, which is a reasonable forecast. I think there is a 70% chance 97L will eventually become Tropical Storm Bonnie, sometime in the next five days. Sudden rapid development today or on Wednesday is unlikely, due to the dry air over the Bahamas. I put the odds of 97L making it to hurricane strength before reaching Florida at 30%, and I give a 20% chance it will be a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. The probability of 97L being a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico will depend heavily upon how long the storm spends over land or interacting with land over the next four days, which is very uncertain.

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog during the show. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. Some topics I'll cover today on the show:

1) Invest 97
2) A look ahead at the coming two weeks

Today's show will be about 45 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters
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1401. BahaHurican 12:39 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Anybody not understanding why the models have all been shifting Nward needs to look at Twink's 1325 post. Look at the orientation of that high!

Also, anybody looking at the WV loops since yesterday could have forecast this happening. That frontal system illustrated in post 1325 (the maps are from OPC, I'm assuming) was really very clear in the WV imagery. [Special thanks to StormW, who showed me how WV looks can aid non-model-based forecasting.]
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1402. JRRP 12:39 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    

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1404. MiamiHurricanes09 12:39 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting patrikdude2:
Can you give link to the models? thanks
ATCF Aid
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1405. xCat6Hurricane 12:39 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
New computer models are out.. i sure hope this storm doesn't miss out out on florida and from there straight to the gulf, that will not be pretty.
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1406. patrikdude2 12:40 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting JRRP:

why did the wave that left africa move a bit southwestward?
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1407. patrikdude2 12:40 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
ATCF Aid
Thanks
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1408. c150flyer 12:40 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Hey does anyone know of a "interactive" map that will return coordinates as you mouse-over?


Google Earth- along with elevation.
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1409. MississippiWx 12:41 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
Evening All

I see the 18Z GFDL came back down a bit, aimed at WPB now.

Also see THERE IS STILL NO SURFACE LOW, pun intended.
\

You are stil incorrect. A surface low is present. It doesn't have to have a closed circulation to be classified a surface low pressure.
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1410. Tazmanian 12:41 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
will guys my work here is done for today i be back by noon wed
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1411. HarleyStormDude52 12:41 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting xCat6Hurricane:
New computer models are out.. i sure hope this storm doesn't miss out out on florida and from there straight to the gulf, that will not be pretty.


Im still thinking in my gut that the next models will shift south,,,
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1412. Ossqss 12:41 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Rum and Raisinets..


Who woulda thunk..


The snack that keeps on giving :)



Next wave might be a bit higher out of Africa.
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1413. RescueAFR 12:42 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Good evening from South Fla... recognizing the many models for forecasting..does one favor over another based on location...GOM vs Atlantic? With 97L will be interesting to see the effects of extremly warm SSTs and reduced wind shear (if that occurs) vs the time line from its present position to the east Coast.
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1414. xcool 12:42 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    





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1415. palmbaywhoo 12:42 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Anybody not understanding why the models have all been shifting Nward needs to look at Twink's 1325 post. Look at the orientation of that high!

Also, anybody looking at the WV loops since yesterday could have forecast this happening. That frontal system illustrated in post 1325 (the maps are from OPC, I'm assuming) was really very clear in the WV imagery. [Special thanks to StormW, who showed me how WV looks can aid non-model-based forecasting.]

models are now shifting back southward though right?
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1416. kuppenskup 12:42 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
SORRY GUYS BUT I SEE A DOWNGRADE FROM RED TO ORANGE ON THE NEXT ADVISORY.
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1417. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:42 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
XX/XX/97L
MARK
19.7N/68.5W
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1418. TropicalNonsense 12:42 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
00z SHIPS takes 97L to a category 1 hurricane into south Florida. 00z official takes 97L into south Florida as a strong TS.


the intensity is the fly in the ointment!
also the intensity will largely affect
the track to a varying degree.

My take is until it has a decent mid level circulation,
it will not really be possible to forecast to a degree of
Good accuracy.
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1419. MiamiHurricanes09 12:43 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
Evening All

I see the 18Z GFDL came back down a bit, aimed at WPB now.

Also see THERE IS STILL NO SURFACE LOW, pun intended.
Yes, there is a surface low.
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1420. tkeith 12:43 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
It's kinda hard to believe all that model consensus on an invest...
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1421. hurricane23 12:43 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting HarleyStormDude52:


Im still thinking in my gut that the next models will shift south,,,


With more eastern location of the possible surface low on the 00z best track if anything some models make come north a tad.
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1422. TropicalNonsense 12:44 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting c150flyer:


Google Earth- along with elevation.


Stormpulse.com
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1424. MiamiHurricanes09 12:44 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
00z Dynamic models all in a consensus of a south Florida landfall, with a small amount of outliers pointing to central Florida.
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1425. Prgal 12:44 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting JRRP:

el centro de 97L ha formado un 8 con tantos movimientos
primero estaba al noreste de PR luego al noreste de RD ahora tambn esta al norte de PR


Hola! Donde ves esto?
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1426. CosmicEvents 12:44 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Rum and Raisinets..


Who woulda thunk..
U Betcha!
.
.
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1427. Patrap 12:44 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
00z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest97
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



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1428. IKE 12:44 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting Hhunter:
bastardi says watch out if she gets stack could make hurricane


Dolly? J/k
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1429. 954FtLCane 12:45 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting palmbaywhoo:

models are now shifting back southward though right?

It looks like they're coming closer together, but still a bit to early until an llc forms
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1430. TropicalNonsense 12:45 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting kuppenskup:
SORRY GUYS BUT I SEE A DOWNGRADE FROM RED TO ORANGE ON THE NEXT ADVISORY.


wont happen. shouldnt happen.
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1431. CyclonicVoyage 12:45 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yes, there is a surface low.


No surface low

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1432. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:46 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
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1433. Patrap 12:46 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
It's kinda hard to believe all that model consensus on an invest...


The steering is becoming more defined thru the levels I believe tkeith.

And the High is in Charge seems.

Itsa gonna be a wild next 120
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1434. MiamiHurricanes09 12:46 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting TropicalNonsense:


the intensity is the fly in the ointment!
also the intensity will largely affect
the track to a varying degree.

My take is until it has a decent mid level circulation,
it will not really be possible to forecast to a degree of
Good accuracy.
97L is vertically aligned from 925mb through 700mb. And yes, 97L has decent mid and low level circulation.
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1435. MississippiWx 12:46 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting hurricane23:


With more eastern location of the possible surface low on the 00z best track if anything some models make come north a tad.


Early 00z tracks went west.
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1437. msgambler 12:46 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
00z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest97
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



Ok Pat, you've made me mad now with those models. I'm leaving....LOL Y'all have a good night.
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1438. CybrTeddy 12:46 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Looks like 97L's going to thread the straights to me. Not good.
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1439. Cavin Rawlins 12:47 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
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1440. tkeith 12:47 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:


The steering is becoming more defined thru the levels I believe tkeith.

And the High is in Charge seems.

Itsa gonna be a wild next 120
Seems so Pat...
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1441. MiamiHurricanes09 12:47 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


No surface low

"SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT A CLOSED CIRCULATION HAS NOT YET
FORMED."

If there wasn't a surface low they wouldn't even be mentioning what is above.
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1442. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:47 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
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1443. Drakoen 12:48 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Track taking it in the general direction of South Florida seems like a good bet.

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1445. Patrap 12:48 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting msgambler:
Ok Pat, you've made me mad now with those models. I'm leaving....LOL Y'all have a good night.


I justa post dem ms.

if they come up ACEs or 21..

Its in da cards.

Early stuff for 97L still.

lotsa swings to come.

Itsa gonna be Like Mission Control during Apollo 11's landing round here.


Smoky and Tense..
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1446. ChillinInTheKeys 12:48 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Pat, why do the statisticals mimic the dynamic now?
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1447. CaicosRetiredSailor 12:48 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
St. Kitts (Weather456 home Island)



ZIZ Newsroom...July 20, 20 - Parts of downtown Basseterre are still covered by mud following a night of heavy rainfall caused by a thunderstorm.

One of the worst hit areas is at the ferry terminal and bus stop at the Bay Front.

Bulldozers and other heavy equipment were seen removing mud from the roads.

http://www.zizonline.com/news/?F114900F-2219-22DB-ABAB6E71F2F8C209
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1448. marmark 12:49 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
crap!!! I've waited all year for my Keys vacation and this happens right before I leave?? I know, I know...can't trust the tropics. Maybe the lobsters get a reprieve this year.
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1450. CybrTeddy 12:49 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting weatherman12345:

thread??


Its going to go through the straight between Florida and Cuba like Rita did.
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1451. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 12:49 AM GMT on Ιούλιος 21, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
00z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest97
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



OK Pat tell me please, if we can get through Saturday evening without any possiblity of this affecting us here in Biloxi. I have my high school class reunion Friday and Saturday here. Put alot of planning into this and alot of out of towners coming. Help!!!
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