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Tropical Storm Lee lingers off Louisiana coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:16 AM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011 +21
Tropical Storm Lee continues to bring heavy rain, moderately strong wind gusts, and tornado risk to the Gulf Coast states east of Texas. Lee is 55 miles south of Lafayette, Louisiana, and is drifting almost due north at 4 mph. Lee's central pressure dropped to 988 mb since this morning, but has maximum sustained wind speeds that have decreased to 50mph. The National Hurricane Center has extended the tropical storm warning eastward to Destin, Florida. Since this morning, New Orleans Lakefront Airport has received about another inch of rain for a storm total of 6.87 inches. Rainfall estimates from radar suggest some locations, especially close to the coast, might have already seen up to 8 inches of rain from Tropical Storm Lee. Although the New Orleans area is in a dry slot of the storm, more rain can be expected through the night in the form of isolated storms with heavy downpours. Louisiana's Jefferson Parish officials ordered a mandatory evacuation for three towns earlier today: Lafitte, Crown Point, and Barataria. Heavy rain and tidal surge pushed the water of Bayou Barataria into the surrounding low-lying areas, and officials warned that if residents didn't leave, they might become stranded for a couple of days.


Figure 1. Infrared satellite of Tropical Storm Lee captured around 6pm EDT. Source: NOAA.

Forecast for Tropical Storm Lee
Lee's forecast hasn't changed much since this morning. Dry air is being pulled in from the west, which is giving the storm a very subtropical appearance, and is mitigating intensification. Earlier today, two centers of circulation were visible in satellite and confirmed by Hurricane Hunters. The centers were rotating around each other in full Fujiwara fashion, and although they were scientifically interesting, it meant that there was no clear center of circulation, and probably helped to weaken storm. The National Hurricane Center expects that Lee will come ashore in Louisiana later this evening and linger over the region until Monday, when it will finally be pushed north by a mid-latitude wave.

Lee's tornado threat
A tornado watch is in effect for southern Louisiana and portions of Mississippi, Alabama, and the western Florida Panhandle until 10pm CDT. The forecast is for small and short-lived tornadoes, but the threat for tornado damage is still there. A PhD student at Georgia Tech (and my former group member), James Belanger, runs a skillful model to predict the number of tornadoes that a tropical cyclone could produce. The model uses variables such as the size of the storm, the maximum wind speed, and moisture. For the 2008 hurricane season, the model accurately predicted the number of tornadoes that would be spawned from a quite a few tropical cyclones, including Hurricane Dolly, Tropical Storm Edouard, Tropical Storm Fay, and Hurricane Ike. Given today's forecast track and intensity, Belanger's model is forecasting 30-40 tornadoes could be spawned from Tropical Storm Lee, mainly in the Southeast states east of and including Louisiana.

Interestingly, although the nose of dry air that's being pulled in from drought-stricken Texas (visible in the satellite image above) is acting to keep the storm weak, it's also playing a role in the number of tornadoes that could be spawned from Lee. The dry air is a crucial component for the storm to develop discrete, isolated thunderstorm cells (versus a large shield of heavy rain). The discrete cells, just like during severe weather season, are the storms that are most capable of producing a tornado.

Angela
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1201. Tropicsweatherpr 12:50 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


A lot stronger earlier, easily on its way to become a major hurricane.


That bouy was a gem of information for the NHC folks to get the exact intensity.
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1202. CybrTeddy 12:52 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Katia was supposed to become a Category 2 72 hours after the 5am advisory, it did so in 3 hours.
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1203. HurricaneSwirl 12:52 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Well, gee, I can't imagine this will cause any problems:

Rain


1.5 inches for me. Please let that shift east!
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1204. HurricaneHunterJoe 12:52 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
has the first trof failed to pick up Lee?
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1205. blsealevel 12:53 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Lee moving ENE at the moment at a blistering speed of 3 mph
looks like i will have to check my gauge again this evening wind gusty

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1206. Thundercloud01221991 12:54 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
how much is that 25 mb pressure drop because of the overnight strengthening and how much is because of pressure estimates .... any ideas?
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1207. Seastep 12:55 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:
how much is that 25 mb pressure drop because of the overnight strengthening and how much is because of pressure estimates .... any ideas?


I'm thinking they probably had her estimated too low prior to the surface obs.
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1208. Thundercloud01221991 12:56 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting Seastep:


I'm thinking they probably had her estimated too low prior to the surface obs.


you mean too high right?
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1209. Seastep 12:57 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:


you mean too high right?


Too high pressure/Too low intensity.
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1210. Seastep 12:58 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
But, I also don't think she was a cat 2 at 5am, either.
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1211. Thundercloud01221991 01:00 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
I think we have seen at least a 15 mb drop in pressure since midnight
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1212. interstatelover7165 01:02 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Katia was supposed to become a Category 2 72 hours after the 5am advisory, it did so in 3 hours.
Rapidly Intensifing!
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1213. wunderweatherman123 01:03 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
every GFS run shows a hurricane in the GOMEX whether it is going into northern mexico or into lousiana, there should be a big storm there in 2 weeks. also in a week out of the bay of campeche GFS develops a strong ts cat 1 and takes it NE into the Panhandle
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1214. shfr173 01:06 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Maybe stupid question? what time of day do the models update?
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1215. interstatelover7165 01:06 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Info from 21.4N/58.6 for Katia
ID T1 TIME LAT LON DIST HDG WDIR WSPD GST WVHT DPD APD MWD PRES PTDY ATMP WTMP DEWP VIS TCC TIDE S1HT S1PD S1DIR S2HT S2PD S2DIR Ice Sea SwH SwP SwD WWH WWP WWD STEEPNESS
(GMT) nm °T °T kts kts ft sec sec °T in in °F °F °F nmi 8th ft ft sec °T ft sec °T Acc Ice ft sec ft sec
------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------
41044 B 1150 21.65 -58.70 16 340 100 71.9 89.4 32.5 11 8.3 - - - 79.2 83.5 78.4 - - - - - - - - - ---- ----- 20.67 11.4 N/A 24.93 7.1 N/A STEEP
SHIP S 1100 17.50 -59.20 236 188 250 15.9 - - - - - 29.88 +0.01 82.8 84.6 76.5 - - - - - - - - - ---- ----- - - - - - - -
2 observations reported for 1100 GMT

ID T1 TIME LAT LON DIST HDG WDIR WSPD GST WVHT DPD APD MWD PRES PTDY ATMP WTMP DEWP VIS TCC TIDE S1HT S1PD S1DIR S2HT S2PD S2DIR Ice Sea SwH SwP SwD WWH WWP WWD STEEPNESS
(GMT) nm °T °T kts kts ft sec sec °T in in °F °F °F nmi 8th ft ft sec °T ft sec °T Acc Ice ft sec ft sec
------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------
41044 B 1050 21.65 -58.70 16 340 70 54.4 68.0 30.8 12 8.3 - 29.04 -0.37 79.3 83.7 78.1 - - - - - - - - - ---- ----- 19.36 12.1 N/A 23.95 8.3 N/A STE
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1216. HurricaneSwirl 01:06 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Accuweather gives Atlanta 8.2 inches of rain, but Macon 2.4 inches and Valdosta 0.94 inches. Central and South Ga need the rain a lot more than north GA does, but I guess I'll take any I can get. Did Lee drop any rain over Texas overnight?
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1217. wunderweatherman123 01:08 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
katia looks like a solid 100mph cat 2 on it ways to a 3. probably the dry air backed off. shear is actually quite high 25knots right now... but its moving into 5 to 10 knots of shear
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1218. hotrods 01:08 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Has anybody seen 00z nogaps run? EC-of-Fl! but we all know about the nogaps at times.
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1219. emcf30 01:08 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
What a difference a few hours make. Katia is definitely getting her act together.





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1220. Sfloridacat5 01:09 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Lee a 45mph Tropical Storm - that's a stretch.
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1221. Vero1 01:09 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting MoltenIce:
XTRAP is ALWAYS straight.
And changes every 12 hrs.
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1223. HurricaneSwirl 01:10 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Such a wide swath of 6-10 inches of rain with locally 15 inches forecast. Several big cities are in this area such as Montgomery, Birmingham, Mobile, Atlanta, New Orleans, Jackson, Panama City, and Asheville. This could be 2011's next multi billion disaster.

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1224. AllyBama 01:11 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting wunderweatherman123:
every GFS run shows a hurricane in the GOMEX whether it is going into northern mexico or into lousiana, there should be a big storm there in 2 weeks. also in a week out of the bay of campeche GFS develops a strong ts cat 1 and takes it NE into the Panhandle


Good morning from Mobile! what a wonderful post to wake up to...lol
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1225. ncstorm 01:11 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Per Henry Margusity..

If Lee does not clear the Northeast per NAM and ends up stalling across the Ohio valley, the implications are Katia will be drawn west and could hit the Outerbanks the end of the week. In any case, the trend of Katia has been to come west with every run of the models which is concerning for the East coast. I still don't have a good feel for how far west Katia will come this week.
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1226. CybrTeddy 01:11 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


It was also supposed to be a Cat 3/4 days ago wasn't it?

Seems they're having a problem figuring out the intensity forecast with this system - more than usual.


I also seem to recall Irene did a similar thing prior to the Bahamas? Was supposed to take 24 hours to reach a certain intensity but also did it in 3? Which prompted forecasting it to go Cat 4...which we know it never got beyond that initial burst.





NHC has stated in the past frequently that their weak point isn't track but intensity.

Charley was supposed to be a 2 when it hit FL, it was a 4.

Felix wasn't ever supposed to become a Category 5 only a day or so later after it became a TS.

Humberto, Lorenzo, Ida, and Paula where never supposed to go from TD to Category 1 hurricanes in 18 hours or so.
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1227. Seastep 01:11 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


It was also supposed to be a Cat 3/4 days ago wasn't it?

Seems they're having a problem figuring out the intensity forecast with this system - more than usual.


I also seem to recall Irene did a similar thing prior to the Bahamas? Was supposed to take 24 hours to reach a certain intensity but also did it in 3? Which prompted forecasting it to go Cat 4...which we know it never got beyond that initial burst.





Difference with Katia is that her winds are there, whereas with Irene, the winds never caught up to the pressure.
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1228. hotrods 01:11 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Nogaps slams Katia into ECFL--sorry not buying it!
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1229. Seastep 01:13 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting hotrods:
Nogaps slams Katia into ECFL--sorry not buying it!


Definite "grain of salt" right now.
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1230. Ameister12 01:13 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
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1231. FortBendMan 01:13 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Most of Houston didn't get anything officially but most of the city from the center over to the east got a light sprinkle last night. 0.04 inches at my house - better than nothing I guess. Far eastern Houston got closer to half an inch, and 90 minutes to east (Beaumont and TX/LA border) got pounded with several inches.

Quoting HurricaneSwirl:
Accuweather gives Atlanta 8.2 inches of rain, but Macon 2.4 inches and Valdosta 0.94 inches. Central and South Ga need the rain a lot more than north GA does, but I guess I'll take any I can get. Did Lee drop any rain over Texas overnight?
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1232. Vero1 01:14 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting Seastep:


Definite "grain of salt" right now.
"Sea salt"?
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1233. TerraNova 01:14 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
SHIPS analyzed shear is currently at a moderate 15 knots and is forecast to remain between 15 and 20 knots until dropping after 36 hours. Katia is now in a favorable environment for strengthening.

If that latest buoy report isn't anomalous or anything (which I expect it isn't)...man, that's pretty rapid strengthening you got there.



CIMSS Vertical Shear Magnitude : 8.8 m/s (17 knots)
Direction : 209.6 deg

Outlook for TC Intensification Based on Current
Env. Shear Values and MPI Differential

Forecast Interval :
6hr - Favorable
12hr - Favorable
18hr - Favorable
24hr - Favorable

"Favorable" discerns an pressure drop of between 1 and 3 millibars every 6 hours.

Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold= 23% is 1.8 times the sample mean(12.8%)
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1234. WeatherNerdPR 01:14 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
WTF Katia? I fall asleep to a strong tropical storm and wake up to a rapidly intensifying Cat 2? lol
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1236. TampaSpin 01:15 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    


HUM
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1237. KEHCharleston 01:15 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
1154. Seastep
Yikes!
Katia 7am AST
21.4N 58.6N
Station 41044 (LLNR 825)
21.652 N 58.695 W


Re:1174. CoopsWife
29.5 feet
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1239. hotrods 01:16 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
One of theses storms need to make a move, katia-her model runs are getting to close for comfort at times.
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1240. TerraNova 01:16 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


It was also supposed to be a Cat 3/4 days ago wasn't it?

Seems they're having a problem figuring out the intensity forecast with this system - more than usual.


I also seem to recall Irene did a similar thing prior to the Bahamas? Was supposed to take 24 hours to reach a certain intensity but also did it in 3? Which prompted forecasting it to go Cat 4...which we know it never got beyond that initial burst.





I think we're seeing more uncertainty with intensity this year with the larger systems we've been having.
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1241. smitty1791 01:16 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Pic from last night heading north on the East Belt @ 45.


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1242. emcf30 01:17 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


Might not have fallen asleep to a TS after all.

She was probably stronger than estimated.

Agreed
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1244. TerraNova 01:18 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting emcf30:

Agreed


Is it post season analysis time already? ;)
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1245. Ameister12 01:18 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
I expect quite a bit form Katia today, especially with this rate of organization. Could actually become a major hurricane after all.
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1246. emcf30 01:19 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting TerraNova:


Is it post season analysis time already? ;)


Apparently so. LOL
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1247. HurricaneHunterJoe 01:20 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting emcf30:
What a difference a few hours make. Katia is definitely getting her act together.







she was having problems getting stacked,that looks more better
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1248. Vero1 01:20 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
WeatherNerdPR Something to watch:

000
AXNT20 KNHC 041147
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT SUN SEP 04 2011


...TROPICAL WAVES...

TROPICAL WAVE IS ANALYZED FROM 09N22W TO 17N23W MOVING W AT
10-15 KT. EXAMINING RECENT UPPER AIR TIME SECTION ANALYSES FROM
DAKAR SENEGAL AND HOVMOLLER DIAGRAMS OF SATELLITE IMAGERY OVER
WESTERN AFRICA AND THE EASTERN TROPICAL ATLC FROM THE PAST FEW
DAYS...IT APPEARS THIS WAVE PASSED DAKAR BETWEEN 03/0600 UTC AND
03/1200 UTC ALOFT IN THE 800-900 MB RANGE. GLOBAL MODEL GUIDANCE
ALSO INDICATES THE CYCLONIC ATTRIBUTES ASSOCIATED WITH THE WAVE
ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE A WESTWARD MOTION AT LOW LATITUDE THE
NEXT FEW DAYS.
SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 05N-10N
BETWEEN 22W-29W.

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1249. violetprofusion 01:20 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Hi everyone! I hope everyone who was affected by Lee is safe and sound.

Looks like all eyes are on Katia now. I live in north Jersey and I went a week without power and water after Irene. Our water went back to normal on Friday and we only just got our power back yesterday. Now I know how important it is to stock up on food and water during hurricane season. Fortunately I stockpiled many gallons of water beforehand and that made our lives much easier, but overall it's not an experience I'd care to repeat.

I'll be carefully watching Katia.
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1250. Sfloridacat5 01:21 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Tropical System moving into Lousiana in 8 days and a major system moving into S.Florida/GOM in 15 days (GFS Weatherunderground).
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1251. aquak9 01:21 PM GMT on Σεπτέμβριος 04, 2011    
Quoting Vero1:
"Sea salt"?

Kosher salt.

Love you too, CRS. And a few others, heh heh heh...
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